Card wording questions & rule clarification

[Agent Spectre]

I know the wording on Bakugan cards is somewhat tricky.

I wish I could have made this a better topic right off the bat because I've had a lot of questions and clarifications in the past, but for right now lets start off with one question, as I'm having a total brain fart about anything else.

When a card states "Play at the start of a battle..." What exactly does this mean? Is the start of the battle considered before or after the gate card is flipped over and it's "secrets" revealed? Just this one minor thing could have a serious effect on strategy and the outcome of a battle.

[Admin]

I agree and i actual think these are more of a "timing" issue actually. Going back to the gameplay advantages of swaps or translucents as an example from the dvd. It shows the choice with the card already flipped over but doesnt officially say it like it does with the pearls. The rules also state that for clears if both bakugan are clear they choose an attribute at "the start of a battle before the card is flipped over". Not sure if these are one in the same or 2 seperate details.

My thoughts are that pearls and translucents would hold the same gameplay value though, so if one clearly stated you get to choose which ever helps you the most then i would imagine the other would be the same.

If we could ever get spinmaster to answer their inquiries things like this could be easily resolved. I suggest posting on the official forums and asking for lord darkus or someone to reply

[Agent Spectre]

These issues give me giant headaches.

And it's not like I haven't tried to get them to answer on the official forums before ( though now I refused to go there). I don't trust them anyway... I don't want to talk to know-nothings that have been wrong in the past like the community admins on the official site.  We need to be put in contact with the actual game developers. They are the only ones who would have the final say, and I think they need to be aware of these sorts of issues, because it is an immense oversight if they ever intend to have real tournaments or pro players.

How things are resolved from a stack of events and timed seem to be the biggest issue next to wording.

One thing I disagree with from the rules is that Att bonuses from the gate cards are applied last. As soon as the gate is flipped you are going to see the bonus anyway, so why can't you add it there and then play your ability cards to gain the advantage.
I just can't get over the fact that the rules state you add the bonus after your  done playing cards. It makes no sense to me.

[Admin]

That is one of the things i was trying to accomplish with the community rep that contacted me, having a direct line of communication to get answers for things like this. And i agree on the gate bonuses, but i dont think it really affects gameplay as you already know what its going to be so you can play cards if you need to.

[Agent Spectre]

And i agree on the gate bonuses, but i dont think it really affects gameplay as you already know what its going to be so you can play cards if you need to.

I know, lol,  it just irks the crap outta me,  as it just seems natural to give the bonus after it's flipped and after the gate text is applied
When the word and apply the rules the way they did...they act like your not supposed to know what the gate bonuses are. You never know. @_@

[Admin]

got some answers, check the "official rulings" section

And after thinking about it, i believe the gate bonus is added last to allow for some strategic ability card playing that could alter the bonus you get ( attribute change card or something )

[Agent Spectre]

And after thinking about it, i believe the gate bonus is added last to allow for some strategic ability card playing that could alter the bonus you get ( attribute change card or something )

Well duh I know that. You'd add the att you change to. That doesn't stop the fact that I'm completely math inept and I like to calculate my bonus before hand and then change it if I have to later. -__-;

[Admin]

And after thinking about it, i believe the gate bonus is added last to allow for some strategic ability card playing that could alter the bonus you get ( attribute change card or something )

Well duh I know that. You'd add the att you change to. That doesn't stop the fact that I'm completely math inept and I like to calculate my bonus before hand and then change it if I have to later. -__-;

but if you actually added it after the card was flipped, changing attributes with an ability card would not change the gate bonus because it was already added ( as the old attribute )

<--- getting confused LOL

[Agent Spectre]

No no... I understand why the gate bonus is added last, for att changing purposes.. I'm just being nitpicky and am saying I'm retarded and need to factor the gate bonus INTO my card playing.  I'm saying I don't like walking blind and playing cards for no reason if i've already got the win in the bag. The way the rules are worded just makes me feel like I'm restricted form doing that. Yes I know I'm paranoid and weird... just ignore me.


I've run across one of my older nitpicky questions that i posted on the bakugan.com site awhile back...

Okay... take a card like "Rainbow" for example. Each Bakugan gets +100 G-power for each different color of Bakugan the player is using in this game.

1.  Is the maximum amount you can add +200 or +300? It says each different color... I'd assume that's 3, but English is such an odd language, you could mean different from what you consider your base color.. therefore, I have a Ventus bakugan but am also using Darkus and Aquos so that's two different... meh I'm confused

2. It says Color... does that mean ATTRIBUTE, or does that also apply to special Bakugan... say I had a Darkus Hydranoid, a Pearl Darkus Hydranoid, and a Reverse Darkus Hydranoid. They are all the same Att, but not all the same color. Yes I know, very nitpicky, but if they're not consistant or specific with wording I get in a tizzy. Color should be color, att should be att, unless they specifically say that Attribute is synonymous with color.


On a similar note the card "Teamwork" is very confusing. It states "Each Bakugan gets +50 G-Power for each different type of Bakugan they are using in the game."

1. Who exactly are "They"? The wording sounds like Bakugan are playing Bakugan, lol.  But i'd assume it applies to both players.

2. Here we go again... "each different type"... that DOES mean actual type of Bakugan, right ( Preyas, Skyress, ect...), and not attribute?

[Admin]

i remember that and think i posted my thoughts as well.

1. i would say 300

2. color=color imho

3.type = type I think this one is a no brainer myself.

i will add these to the questions to hopefully get answered.

[Agent Spectre]

Oh and it's funny you mention the DVD... because on that they DO seem to add the gate Bonus first... Lawlz, they must be as stupid as I am.  I'm just saying it's easier to calculate the gate first, and if you have to re-calculate if there is an att change, so be it. The gate bonus is just confirmed final at the end..

Anyway, I have a good question now...
Okay... say if you had a card like "Rainbow" or Teamwork" or any like card. now... what if you have a Dual attribute Bakugan on your team? bwahaha. Does it count as one att or two? In-game it can only be one att at a time, but it's still two atts... oww my head.

[Admin]

following timing and from what i gather ( im getting it clarified - hopefully ) when battle starts ( gate card flipped ) the dual then chooses an attribute to become. So once timing allows ability cards to be played, the dual would just be considered the attribute it chose.

[Agent Spectre]

following timing and from what i gather ( im getting it clarified - hopefully ) when battle starts ( gate card flipped ) the dual then chooses an attribute to become. So once timing allows ability cards to be played, the dual would just be considered the attribute it chose.

Err... not what I meant.
I mean if the Dual Att Bakugan is NOT the one standing rather if it is sitting in your used or unused pile.
These cards call on you to count the number of attributes or colors you are using "in the game".

If a Dual counts as both, you coulds technically be playing 5 different attributes in a single 3 Bakugan game.

[Admin]

following timing and from what i gather ( im getting it clarified - hopefully ) when battle starts ( gate card flipped ) the dual then chooses an attribute to become. So once timing allows ability cards to be played, the dual would just be considered the attribute it chose.

Err... not what I meant.
I mean if the Dual Att Bakugan is NOT the one standing rather if it is sitting in your used or unused pile.
These cards call on you to count the number of attributes or colors you are using "in the game".

If a Dual counts as both, you coulds technically be playing 5 different attributes in a single 3 Bakugan game.

AHHHHhhhhhhh I C. That is pretty slick. I would imagine they count as both until a battle myself. another good question   added it to the list.

[Agent Spectre]

Thanks for the "Official" responses so far.
My questions and ability to run into errors and/or discrepancies has always made me a valuable "tester".
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